I think that would be great if there was a standardization group to approve the mods, and a tool for automatic update.
A tool for this is something ridiculously simple to make.
The standardization group would demands more work, but I'm sure there will be no lack of candidates for it.
A tool for this is something ridiculously simple to make.
The standardization group would demands more work, but I'm sure there will be no lack of candidates for it.
Reading some posts above, I start thinking that there is no future for the servers anymore, I mean a future where we can find that old spirit.
How many people here are really talking about racing, not just party or happy hour?
I have nothing against who like to make a chat with the friends, and use the server just for relax doing what he likes to do.
But the problem, for me, is that it is pratically all we find today.
Or you can wait for leagues events...
I think racing is racing, not drag, drift, cruise, hotlaps... those are variations that has nothing with racing at all.
Racing is iRacing, as an example.
You do your qualify, you get in the track, and drive your car against other. Finish.
Racing is fun, but is also serious, asks for concentration, there are rules, and there is an exact objective that you can't find on the majority of the servers that crowd the looby today.
I miss servers with TBO class at WE, I'd like to see races with RAC at FE, battles of UF1 at AS Club, and etc. But I don't find this kind of combos anymore. And that has been for a long time...
How many people here are really talking about racing, not just party or happy hour?
I have nothing against who like to make a chat with the friends, and use the server just for relax doing what he likes to do.
But the problem, for me, is that it is pratically all we find today.
Or you can wait for leagues events...
I think racing is racing, not drag, drift, cruise, hotlaps... those are variations that has nothing with racing at all.
Racing is iRacing, as an example.
You do your qualify, you get in the track, and drive your car against other. Finish.
Racing is fun, but is also serious, asks for concentration, there are rules, and there is an exact objective that you can't find on the majority of the servers that crowd the looby today.
I miss servers with TBO class at WE, I'd like to see races with RAC at FE, battles of UF1 at AS Club, and etc. But I don't find this kind of combos anymore. And that has been for a long time...
There is a way that works fine: leagues and championships.
Public servers, without hard and heavy administration, tends to go bad, due to wreckers, dirty and unfair behavior, etc.
Another sugestion: make a financial fund, buy the CTRA and put it back to life.
Public servers, without hard and heavy administration, tends to go bad, due to wreckers, dirty and unfair behavior, etc.
Another sugestion: make a financial fund, buy the CTRA and put it back to life.
Fetso Yes, the mini-review seems to be from someone who has played rFactor in 2004 and never returned to it.
I do not have many mods installed, but some of the F1 series, GT history, Megane, Caterham, are big works, and many tracks are very well made from scratch.
Of course, the LFS also seems more natural both with respect to visual as with respect to driveability. But that does not mean rFactor is way bad.
It is complicated. Many people who are used to rFactor, can not accept LFS, and vice versa.
The discussion always tends to subjective conclusions, or a simple matter of personal taste.
I do not have many mods installed, but some of the F1 series, GT history, Megane, Caterham, are big works, and many tracks are very well made from scratch.
Of course, the LFS also seems more natural both with respect to visual as with respect to driveability. But that does not mean rFactor is way bad.
It is complicated. Many people who are used to rFactor, can not accept LFS, and vice versa.
The discussion always tends to subjective conclusions, or a simple matter of personal taste.
The fact is that I was not complaining in the exact sense of the term.
That phrase was just a joke, and anyone with a little degree of good sense could realize that.
The fact is that there are too many kids here, and too many not so young, but with that kind of behavior like trying to be the big shoot, sometimes to collect some aplauses from the others, sometimes cause has nothing better to do.
I just finished to praize the Scirocco, which in certain ways could be interpreted as an eulogy to the LFS team, but here there is ALWAYS someone to misunderstand everything.
If you think to complain does piss off, should know that complain about complains does piss off too.
And I was not complaining.
That phrase was just a joke, and anyone with a little degree of good sense could realize that.
The fact is that there are too many kids here, and too many not so young, but with that kind of behavior like trying to be the big shoot, sometimes to collect some aplauses from the others, sometimes cause has nothing better to do.
I just finished to praize the Scirocco, which in certain ways could be interpreted as an eulogy to the LFS team, but here there is ALWAYS someone to misunderstand everything.
If you think to complain does piss off, should know that complain about complains does piss off too.
And I was not complaining.
Kids, talk to me in portugues, directly in my msn. You know who Im and I know who you are. Stop this bs here. If you dont have my msn, contact at lfsbr.
If you dont understood what I said, it is a matter of you. Grow up kid.
So I bet that the Scirocco will rock. Of course the rush will survive for a limited time, but during this time Scirocco will draw attention.
There will be skins, movies, championships, long races, short races, free racing.
People will test the car at all tracks and layout, including rally.
Scirocco, being a tourism car, is more attractive than FBM, a formula made for tarmac and straights, because being a tourism car, it goes well in any kind of circuit, tarmac or gravel, city or road, short or long.
Moreover, being a slow car, the races are closer and fun.
I have good expectations about this car.
The big question is WHEN Mr Scawen, WHEN? My god, how this guy take our nerves out from the body...
There will be skins, movies, championships, long races, short races, free racing.
People will test the car at all tracks and layout, including rally.
Scirocco, being a tourism car, is more attractive than FBM, a formula made for tarmac and straights, because being a tourism car, it goes well in any kind of circuit, tarmac or gravel, city or road, short or long.
Moreover, being a slow car, the races are closer and fun.
I have good expectations about this car.
The big question is WHEN Mr Scawen, WHEN? My god, how this guy take our nerves out from the body...
Nobody is just an expression. Fool maybe could be your dady.
Please, try to extract Drift and Cruise from that data, and come back here with new numbers.
These cars are too low poly 
But the reflections look great.
I think u can stop improving and release the last update.
But the reflections look great.
I think u can stop improving and release the last update.
Everybody agree that LFS is the best handling, the best feeling, the more easy one-click-to-race, and so on, but nobody is playing it.
I think there is a huge difference between what is fantastic and what is good enough, and sometimes rF is good enough.
LFS has great feeling, but the car not always behaves like a real car.
Simbin games has not the same feel, has not the same tire physics, but their car behaves more as expected than the cars in LFS.
One thing that you will think that has nothing with this conversation, but it has, pay attention: people have found an american base in Paquistan using Google. Maybe people have found Atlantida too. Google deny, but the images are there.
Google is a fantastic tool, the best, but what would if Google was in the hand of just 3 people?
Google just become so fantastic after the entire world participation.
Ok, Im not saying that LFS is something for millions or billions, but it is for thousands.
People make fantastic modification with the little possibilities that the game permits. Look that car from Kegetys. Look our mod session!
People make fantastic movies, fantastic skins.
Imagine what could happen, with the passion that move the LFS community if it was released for mods?
I can image just good things, with the bad things fading naturally.
I can't understand why Scawen with this "my precious" thing for so long time.
rFactor is so less than LFS and has much more material to deliver, cause it is on the community hand.
I have a company, a little one. I know that I must to keep my eyes on the work, but if I have not employes, my company would not exist anymore from long time ago.
rFactor can not be better than LFS, but at least it has much more content.
I think there is a huge difference between what is fantastic and what is good enough, and sometimes rF is good enough.
LFS has great feeling, but the car not always behaves like a real car.
Simbin games has not the same feel, has not the same tire physics, but their car behaves more as expected than the cars in LFS.
One thing that you will think that has nothing with this conversation, but it has, pay attention: people have found an american base in Paquistan using Google. Maybe people have found Atlantida too. Google deny, but the images are there.
Google is a fantastic tool, the best, but what would if Google was in the hand of just 3 people?
Google just become so fantastic after the entire world participation.
Ok, Im not saying that LFS is something for millions or billions, but it is for thousands.
People make fantastic modification with the little possibilities that the game permits. Look that car from Kegetys. Look our mod session!
People make fantastic movies, fantastic skins.
Imagine what could happen, with the passion that move the LFS community if it was released for mods?
I can image just good things, with the bad things fading naturally.
I can't understand why Scawen with this "my precious" thing for so long time.
rFactor is so less than LFS and has much more material to deliver, cause it is on the community hand.
I have a company, a little one. I know that I must to keep my eyes on the work, but if I have not employes, my company would not exist anymore from long time ago.
rFactor can not be better than LFS, but at least it has much more content.
Lynce, I think the clouds go well in some cases, like tracks with clear day and few bridges.
The pictures look much more beautiful now. Keep working.
There is always somebody crazy to make the hard work that pleases people like me...
but ok, thanks. I think it pleases you too, right?
The pictures look much more beautiful now. Keep working.
There is always somebody crazy to make the hard work that pleases people like me...
but ok, thanks. I think it pleases you too, right?
There are a lot of good cars, including some original cars (the formulas).
It counts tens.
People doesn't know, or just does poor prejudgement about.
rFactor, the game, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
rFactor, the development team, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
rFactor, the community, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
Who thinks any statment above is not true, doesn't.
It counts tens.
People doesn't know, or just does poor prejudgement about.
rFactor, the game, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
rFactor, the development team, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
rFactor, the community, does deserve respect as much as LFS.
Who thinks any statment above is not true, doesn't.
Sure, there will be at least 10 servers with Scirocco fully of people. One of them will be myself
the "recent" that I said, is a bit less recent
Maybe thousands is not the correct word, but the problem is that now, the biggest part of the frequented servers are drift and cruise, and before it was different...
The modifications would be too easy to control.
The own community would say if it is good or not, but LFS team could define a small group of colaborators to analize and approve the mod, so just those really good mods, would reach the market.
rFactor has great tracks, cars and addons made by the community, and many of them deserve respect at high level.
There are people who expend more than 2 years working in a mod before release.
A mod like Hystoric GT is a show. It is a complete game, and, along with Real Feel Plugin, it is enough reason to buy the rFactor.
S14Drift said "Then again, who wants to disconnect to change car.
"...
Well, that is boring, but at least you can choose between Megane and Porsche, and all other 232, almost all based on real cars, which causes better conection with the reality, one of the thing we look for in the simulation...
just in case, I barely play rFactor, and I prefer LFS too, even with its lacks...
The own community would say if it is good or not, but LFS team could define a small group of colaborators to analize and approve the mod, so just those really good mods, would reach the market.
rFactor has great tracks, cars and addons made by the community, and many of them deserve respect at high level.
There are people who expend more than 2 years working in a mod before release.
A mod like Hystoric GT is a show. It is a complete game, and, along with Real Feel Plugin, it is enough reason to buy the rFactor.
S14Drift said "Then again, who wants to disconnect to change car.
"...Well, that is boring, but at least you can choose between Megane and Porsche, and all other 232, almost all based on real cars, which causes better conection with the reality, one of the thing we look for in the simulation...
just in case, I barely play rFactor, and I prefer LFS too, even with its lacks...
I can't really listen to the "music" that you all always say about LFS sounds. This feedback doesn't touch me in fact.
I rather prefer the thicker sounds of rFactor, but I think it is just a matter of taste.
And I think the netcode of rFactor is better, because it is more stable. I am rarely dropped from rF servers, and barely can see anyone losing conection, while in LFS I can't see the same performance.
Do you play rFactor, by the way?
I rather prefer the thicker sounds of rFactor, but I think it is just a matter of taste.
And I think the netcode of rFactor is better, because it is more stable. I am rarely dropped from rF servers, and barely can see anyone losing conection, while in LFS I can't see the same performance.
Do you play rFactor, by the way?
Yeap, and I don't like it, so I don't play, and I came here and complain, with reasons enough.
I'm so glad you can see the point behind my rude manners... that is too much important for me and my family, thank you a lot. Saved my day :heartbeat
I don't think you can compare NFS with LFS, while Shift doesn't come. After that, is expected to have a NFS Simulator, then the comparison can be made.
And then why not to compare? Because LFS is in developing forever? Who cares? Gmail is in development and I use it.
Scawen said, in rFactor's thread, we can compare, so fanboys, forget this old argument.
Work in Progress doesn't mean "sorry, but that is nothing". We have a great simulator, with great features, and this is a product in the market, so I can, you can, everybody can compares it with any other similar product.
There is nothing more wasted than this same old argument that "LFS is not ready" and similar blablablas... LFS is a simulator, and it is on the market, period.
That said, I'd like to complete that yes, it looks somehow old, but the "new" iRacing doesn't look much newer now. NKP is something better, in some aspects, but not others.
As example, in NKP, the replays views inside the car (in fact on the top, not inside) are awful, as the same way if you watch Simbin and rFactor from the outside, while in LFS the textures, the image quality is the same, inside the car, outside the car, in replays, in game, etc.
LFS has much more graphic's things than others, like the possibility of change the point of view, hide the sterring wheel and driver's body, on the track, and etc, and that is fantastic.
There are many other features that just LFS has, but it can be improved, and so, why not suggest, complain, to dream aloud, why not?
I think LFS should be improved graphically, such as the trees, and little things about the car, such as more detailed body, etc.
The graphics and sound are very important part of any simulator, because to simulate is all about immersion, and you can't get really perfect immersion, with poor graphics and poor sounds.
So, lets consider that LFS has good physics (it still need to be improved. You can't drift that so easy IRL), and that is a WIP, but lets wait that the graphics and sound never stuck on the actual stage, with all the respect that Eric deserves for all the high quality material he has produced.
And then why not to compare? Because LFS is in developing forever? Who cares? Gmail is in development and I use it.
Scawen said, in rFactor's thread, we can compare, so fanboys, forget this old argument.
Work in Progress doesn't mean "sorry, but that is nothing". We have a great simulator, with great features, and this is a product in the market, so I can, you can, everybody can compares it with any other similar product.
There is nothing more wasted than this same old argument that "LFS is not ready" and similar blablablas... LFS is a simulator, and it is on the market, period.
That said, I'd like to complete that yes, it looks somehow old, but the "new" iRacing doesn't look much newer now. NKP is something better, in some aspects, but not others.
As example, in NKP, the replays views inside the car (in fact on the top, not inside) are awful, as the same way if you watch Simbin and rFactor from the outside, while in LFS the textures, the image quality is the same, inside the car, outside the car, in replays, in game, etc.
LFS has much more graphic's things than others, like the possibility of change the point of view, hide the sterring wheel and driver's body, on the track, and etc, and that is fantastic.
There are many other features that just LFS has, but it can be improved, and so, why not suggest, complain, to dream aloud, why not?
I think LFS should be improved graphically, such as the trees, and little things about the car, such as more detailed body, etc.
The graphics and sound are very important part of any simulator, because to simulate is all about immersion, and you can't get really perfect immersion, with poor graphics and poor sounds.
So, lets consider that LFS has good physics (it still need to be improved. You can't drift that so easy IRL), and that is a WIP, but lets wait that the graphics and sound never stuck on the actual stage, with all the respect that Eric deserves for all the high quality material he has produced.
rFactor has better Netcode, better sounds, and it is opened for modding, which can be good or not.
After 2 or 3 years, good mods started to come, and now, great works such as Historic GT and Real Feel has given a new level to this simulator.
ISI is a team that, like LFS team, usually do participate in foruns and give answers to the crowd.
Some features of rFactor are just a matter of taste, but for me, a few canned effects, are welcome, such as cockpit's vibration.
LFS has better (much better) FFB, better online experience (not due the netcode, but the resources, like changing cars, inside the same session), and the closed code can be seen as an advantage under some aspects.
I think both are great works, and both has lessons to teach, and the perfect world would be a joining of the best features of each one, and other sims too.
I have a large HD, so I can afford with both and the other good sims in the market (iRacing, NKP and Simbin titles).
After 2 or 3 years, good mods started to come, and now, great works such as Historic GT and Real Feel has given a new level to this simulator.
ISI is a team that, like LFS team, usually do participate in foruns and give answers to the crowd.
Some features of rFactor are just a matter of taste, but for me, a few canned effects, are welcome, such as cockpit's vibration.
LFS has better (much better) FFB, better online experience (not due the netcode, but the resources, like changing cars, inside the same session), and the closed code can be seen as an advantage under some aspects.
I think both are great works, and both has lessons to teach, and the perfect world would be a joining of the best features of each one, and other sims too.
I have a large HD, so I can afford with both and the other good sims in the market (iRacing, NKP and Simbin titles).
Could you filter CRUISE and DRIFT?
Could you filter private and public?
Because DRIFT is not RACE, CRUISE is not RACE, and PRIVATE is not what the poster has asked to.
And if I remember in the recent past, the numbers counted thousands, not hundreds.
But ok, you are working, we respect that, and hope the results come soon.
You don't need to get angry with people complaining, it is a natural behavior, for impatient people, who can't afford with months of expectation.
Lynce, I think the LFS ambient does not match with such bright surfaces.
Do you know what I think? The main problem is that these cars are too poor modeled and the surfaces have only one degree of reflection.
They look like plastic toy cars (not due your work).
There are no changes between rubber, glass and painted steel reflections.
The lines betweens parts have no depth.
The contour around the windows and lights has no relief.
Those lines are too simple, the surfaces has one aspect, so... no matter what you do, they don't look real.
But at least this new one picture is a step forward. Keep working, who knows you make a miracle...
Do you know what I think? The main problem is that these cars are too poor modeled and the surfaces have only one degree of reflection.
They look like plastic toy cars (not due your work).
There are no changes between rubber, glass and painted steel reflections.
The lines betweens parts have no depth.
The contour around the windows and lights has no relief.
Those lines are too simple, the surfaces has one aspect, so... no matter what you do, they don't look real.
But at least this new one picture is a step forward. Keep working, who knows you make a miracle...
Yep, this has been said many many times before, and that is supposed to be the real intention of this sim.
If you go to the LFS main page, the explanation what is LFS is there, a simulator, blablabla...
But why real racers and too many serious virtual drivers are not interested in LFS anymore?
Maybe because the feeling is not just all you need in a simulator.
One thing that attracts people to a sim is its real life pair. It is kind different to drive in SPA or Monza than Aston.
It is different to drive a Masserati or a Mini instead of a XFR or a UF1000.
Here in Brazil, the BRDEV team has launched 2 weeks ago a mod for EVO called Stock Car Light 2007.
And we've had races with this mod in Interlagos and Curitiba, 2 great local permanent tracks, and that is simply amazing.
Even considering the inferior FFB of Simbin simulators (and any other gmotor2 based games), the immersion is deep, cause we know that class, that track, the real pilots.
BTW, 4 real pilots of that season are colaborators of the development team and run together with us.
iRacing come out with a lot of perfect scanned tracks and perfect modeled cars, with amazing handling, amazing physics and ffb.
So, the point is, LFS has nothing new for years. And serious driver doesn't feel anymore the same appeal of 2 or 3 years ago.
Now what is the deal with LFS? Servers are fully of kids doing drift and cruise. What f*** is that? Is that the simulation the main page announce?
The graphics are out of date, the sound is out of date, and this game has been beta for too much time.
I don't see old people here. I don't see seniors, I don't see professional drivers, I don't see anything that promises this project is going the right way.
I think LFS need a good contract with a good distributor, and a shock of modernity. Need more detailed models (from real cars, like Scirocco), new tracks (real tracks), new graphics, new sounds, new everything, less the amazing force feedback and tires physics.
The comunity has not grown anymore cause this game is tired, the servers are full of kids.
I was one of the mainly brasilian adviser of LFS during 3 years. I carried on LFS for many foruns, and I was the man behind the best server we have for many times (UOL). But I give up, and as I did, I know many others that did the same.
And I know that critics are not wellcome here. I tried this before, without any success. The result is eay to see today: empty race servers, and a small community of childrens doing drift and cruise.
That shows perfectly why LFS is losting its crowd...
If you think a race needs fast cars to be fun, you are wrong.
And IF (I don't know your opinion about) you think Trackmania's crowd is the right place to pick up "racers" you are wrong again. Except if you think we need more Drift and Cruisers "drivers" here.
LFS is getting small each day, and that is a no way back while nothing really new happens.
NO, sorry. Matter of taste. I think the author is open to critics. Everything can be improved.
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